Superman & Batman vs. Vampires & Werewolves

[ArcLight]

This got mentioned in another thread but I can't remember which one and figured it might be worth it's own thread anyway:

Coming October 15:



Creators: Written by Kevin Vanhook / Art and Cover by Tom Mandrake

Description: A man is killed by a mysterious creature - his body drained of blood. A woman is savagely attacked by a ferocious beast - her jugular ripped out. Bat wings flutter across the moon and the howl of a wolf echoes through the streets, for the creatures of the night have risen from the grave, and humanity's only salvation is the combined might of The Last Son of Krypton and The Dark Knight Detective. Blood will run red when Superman and Batman face off against vampires and werewolves for the fate of the entire DCU!

[Marcus]

The werewolves and vamps will have to be really really hard, or have kryptonite coated teeth to hurt superman.

Unless they're going to have them class as magical, which superman is vulnerable to.

[dedwyre]

They are running out of ideas. Besides, Ash already beat Dracula and the Classic Monsters, so how could Superman have any problems?

I could see a vampire give Superman trouble, since they can be very strong and have wacky powers. Maybe a group of them could gang up on him. The werewolves would have little chance.

A while ago, DC published a Batman Elseworlds comic where he became a vampire and Commissioner Gordon had to put a stake through his heart.

[thedamnedthing]

Superman's gonna ruin it.

[keywolf]

That's cos Superman is a dick.

superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=3&Itemid=3

[dedwyre]

That's a funny site, and I love Superman to death.

I think the fact that they're pitting generic monsters against the combined efforts of the most powerful being on earth and the greatest strategist in the world will be what ruins it.

[thedamnedthing]

Just Batman would be cool, but Superman ruins everything with his godlike, unlimited powers. Unless he's fighting some other being with godlike, unlimited power, why should we give a fuck? and even if he is, he's still a pussy, so I still won't give a fuck.

[werewolves]

Bless your soul. Agreed, Superman's a dick, they should have left him dead after doomsday came to town.

[Marcus]

Would be nice if superman's powers were reduced more to the older versions.

Orignal superman abilities:
The character was depicted as having the ability to lift heavy objects (e.g., steel support beams); could leap an 1⁄8th of a mile or hurdle a 20 story building; run faster than an express train; and Superman's skin could not be pierced by anything short of a large artillery shell.

He was a much more sensible powered hero back than.

[ArcLight]

Yep, agreed.

Byrne's reboot back in the 80s tried to power him down a little bit but it didn't seem to last.

Meanwhile, dig up a copy of Philip Wylie's "Gladiator" and see if it doesn't read like a biography of Superman (written before Superman was created).

[dedwyre]

These days, Superman is pretty much invincible to normal earth-based things, but he's always fighting cosmic being or heavy tech that can harm him. Actually, most of DC's heroes seem to be involved in cosmic events. That's why I don't read much DC, except Green Lantern stuff, which is actually kind of odd, considering it still deals with cosmic stuff.

I was just thinking today about how there really seems to be two Batmen occupying the same "universe"; the Gotham City Batman and the Justice League Batman. In Batman comics, he and his compatriots tend to face a lot of organized crime and colorful villains that usually aren't super powered (like in the movies). In any other comic he appears in, he's in space with the Justice League or otherwise helping the super powered folk fight other super powered folk. It's like two different characters. Plus, how can he be doing all this at once? This doesn't really have anything to do with the topic, except that it involves Batman, but...yeah.

[Kavik]

So is the book out yet? How is it? I remember Supes fought Dracula a few years ago, and one of the first post-Crisis Supes / Bats x-overs involved a little vampire girl, and yes there was the RED REIGN elseworld story and its two sequels. So I don't see this as really breaking any new ground; I'm actually surprised they made such a big deal out of it. Maybe they were hoping it would release the same time as Underworld: Rise of the Lycans.

[dedwyre]

I just saw issue 2 at the store yesterday, which means I missed issue 1, so I had no idea what was going on. I didn't buy it; I'll wait for the graphic novel.

I flipped through it, though, and it was pleasantly different than what I was expecting. I'm drawing a blank on most of it, but I recall that Batman and Nightwing fought a werewolf or two and took one of them back to the Batcave or something. I think there might have been a good vampire involved, but there was definitely an evil vampire pulling some strings. By the end, a giant tentacled creature showed up under the control of the evil vampire. It reminded me of an HP Lovecraft monster. Superman showed up in the last panel and told everyone to stand back, so the next issue is apparently Superman vs. the Cthulu or something.

I'm just glad it isn't a stereotypicl Dracula vampire that they're fighting. That's been done to death, especially in the older Marvel comics.

Kavik, I think you mean "Batman: Red Rain." There was that, "Bloodstorm," and "Crimson Mist." Sometime during this last year, a group of DC characters were traveling through different universes and passed through that one. I think that particular story ended with Batman and someone else (Robin? Nightwing?) as vampire heroes in Gotham. Which is odd, because I could have sworn that Commissioner Gordon had to kill vampire Batman in one of those other books.